مشكورة اختي على الموضوع الروعة
انا اظن ان اسم BARRET ياي من كلمة BARETTA و هو نوع من المسدسات و باريت عنده مسدس في ايده (كل هذا و مسدس:أفكر: ) فأعتقد ان هذا معنى اسمه و الله تعالى اعلم :p
يعطيج العافية اختي :)
Re: ام باااااااااااااااااق
اقتباس:
الرسالة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Magenta
بس حبيت اضيف شي بالنسبة لشخصية Barette Wallace
حسب الموقع اللي حطلنا ايها الاخ (والله ما اذكر اسمه:أفكر: ) فان:
Wallace يحتمل انها تكون مأخوذة من اسم المحارب الاوسكتلندي William Wallace اللي كان معروف بشجاعته و حبه للحرية و سعيه الدائم للحصول عليها و اعتقد انه شخصيته قريبة من Barette لانه كان يرفض انه يكون تحت رحمة الشينرا :)
و بالنسبة ل Sephiroth اعتقد ان كلمة Sphere لها علاقة به :أفكر:
و مشقورين :D
طبعا هذا أكيد بالنسبة لباريت .. لكن اما سيفروث .. فمو متأكد ..
سؤال ما عليج أمر خيتو انجيل :
Ruby Weapon و Emerald Weapon و Diamond Weapon هي الأسماء الصحيح للويبونز في فف7 .. صح ؟
لكن هل تعرفون شنو معناهم خيتو ؟ .. لأني اكتشف شي جديد خطيييير .. :واو:
;)
Re: Re: ام باااااااااااااااااق
اقتباس:
الرسالة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Neo Cid
سؤال ما عليج أمر خيتو انجيل :
Ruby Weapon و Emerald Weapon و Diamond Weapon هي الأسماء الصحيح للويبونز في فف7 .. صح ؟
لكن هل تعرفون شنو معناهم خيتو ؟ .. لأني اكتشف شي جديد خطيييير .. :واو:
;)
والله اللي اعرفه اخوي هو ان:
Diamond = الماس
Emerald = زمرد
Ruby = ياقوت
ما ادري اذا كان هذا اللي بغيت تعرفه و لا لأ :أفكر:
Re: Re: Re: ام باااااااااااااااااق
اقتباس:
الرسالة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Magenta
والله اللي اعرفه اخوي هو ان:
Diamond = الماس
Emerald = زمرد
Ruby = ياقوت
ما ادري اذا كان هذا اللي بغيت تعرفه و لا لأ :أفكر:
مشكوووووووووور اخوي على المعلومات ... :)
صراحة بالصدفة و أنا قاعد أقرى كتاب عن الحضارة العثمانية و كنوزها ...
ولا بالغلط صادفت هذي الكلمات الثلاثة :واو: .. فقلت سيدى أيي أتحقق منكم .. :D
يعطيك العافية أخوي ماجينتا .. :)
و إذا تبوني أسوي سكان حق الكلمات الثلاثة اللي صادفتني .. قولوا و أنا حاضر .. :)
الاسباب والمعاني الحقيقية
شباااااااااب اخيرا الحل الكامل
موضوع لازم اترقى إلى مراقب اول فيه ;-)
اسف لانه بالانجليزي لانو مستحيل اترجمه كله طبعا
هذا النص معتمد من المصممين نفسهم وماشالله عليكم بعض استنتاجاتكم كانت صحيحة
هذه فقط اسماء شخصيات 7 وانشالله اضيف 8.9.10 بس اصبروا علي
ومن ثم الاسلحة والمدن وليش اختاروا هالاسماء
From FF7:
Before I get to Mark Rosa's main section, I found a very interesting FF7 name section by Moritz Sommet, on his FF7 Revelation site. Most of it takes the FF7 names and works them into religious contexts; definitely worth a look. There's a little bit of repetition/overlap in the two documents. ^^; I'll let you know when we return to the main Name Origins page.
Main Characters:
Cloud Strife
Both "cloud" and "strife" are English words.
-Cloud’s Christian name alludes to his mysterious, unclear past and his unpredictable development in the future: his memory is ‘clouded’, he has his ‘head in the clouds’ and no one knows what his next move will be. In nature, clouds do not move by themselves but are driven by the wind. Likewise, Cloud’s development is influenced by others rather than by his own decision. At first, Sephiroth/Jenova is controlling him; later, it is Tifa who has to show him his true nature.
-"Strife" illustrates Cloud’s aggressive behavior towards others, as well as his inner fight that is the central conflict of the story. In the last duel between Cloud and Sephiroth, this fight finds its conclusion.
Aeris (Aerith) Gainsborough (Gast)
The Latin word "aeris" translates into "air; atmosphere; cloud; aether".
-"Air" and "atmosphere": this seems to be an allusion to Aeris’ connection to nature and her importance to the planet. Without air and an atmosphere, there would be no life. C.f. her first Limit Break, the "Healing Wind".
~The translation "cloud" implies that there is some kind of mystical connection between Aeris and Cloud Strife; like Cait Sith says, they are "made for each other".
~"Aerith" is an anagram of "I Earth"
~The word Aeris is pronounced similarly to "heiress", which aptly illustrates Aeris’ role as the last Cetra and the rightful heir to the planet.
Sephiroth
This name derives from the Kabbala, a religious lore that has its origins in Jewish mysticism:
"At the Creation," explains Kabbalist spokesman Steve Edelman, "God sent out a pulse of energy into the void. It presently branched and sorted into ten distinct spheres or aspects, corresponding to the numbers 1-10. These are known as the Sephiroth. To return to God, the soul must negotiate each of the Sephiroth, from ten back to one. Armed with magic and faith, Kabbalists have set out to conquer the Sephiroth. Many Kabbalist secrets have to do with making the trip successfully.
"Now the Sephiroth fall into a pattern, which is called the Tree of Life. It is also the body of God. Drawn among the ten spheres are 22 paths. Each path corresponds to a letter of the Hebrew alphabet, and also to one of the cards called 'Major Arcana' in the Tarot.
"Some Sephiroth are active or masculine, others passive or feminine. But the Tree itself is a unity, rooted exactly at the Bodenplatte. It is the axis of a particular Earth, a new dispensation, brought into being by the Great Firing."
(Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon, p. 753)
–The character Sephiroth tries to become a god by destroying the planet, hence the religiously connoted name. Also, Kabbalists believe that mastering the Tree of Life is a method to achieve divine enlightenment, and that’s basically what Hojo wants Sephiroth to do: "Ha, ha, ha...... Go beyond the powers of science...Before your presence, science is powerless...". The ‘Great Firing’ that brings a new world into being reminds us of the Nibelheim accident where Sephiroth becomes insane.
Jenova
The Hebrew name of God is Jehovah. The last two syllables of Jenova, ‘–nova’, translate into ‘new’.
Jenova is a ‘new god’, or wants to become one. She’s an usurper trying to rob the powers of the planet.
Tifa Lockheart
‘Tiferet’ is the central aspect of the Tree of Life (see above). Lockheart is composed of the English words ‘to lock’ and ‘heart’.
-The sefirot Tiferet represents beauty, balance and love- a description that applies fairly well to the role of the character, Tifa. Also, Tifa is the one who saves Cloud through her love and Christian Kabbalists believe that Tiferet symbolizes self-sacrifice and "the will to carry one’s neighbor’s cross". On Tarot cards, Tiferet is pictured as a heart (as in Lockheart!), and sometimes as an angel (Tifa’s bar is called the "Seventh Heaven" and her last Limit Break is the "Final Heaven").
-Her surname, Lockheart, illustrates her natural shyness and inability to express her love for Cloud. And the key to Cloud’s past is "locked" in her "heart".
Side Characters:
Vincent Valentine
The Latin verb "vincere" translates into "to conquer, outlast, defeat"; St. Valentine is a Christian Saint protecting lovers.
-"to outlast" would be the most fitting translation for ‘vincere’ since Vincent sleeps in the basement of the Shin-Ra Villa for almost 30 years.
-Vincent’s sub-plot with Lucrecia is a tragic love story, hence his surname.
Yuffie
The prefix "euphe" in Old Greek translates into "joy", "happiness"
–I don’t think it’s too much of a stress to say that Yuffie is a lively, outgoing or downright goofy character, so the name suits her well.
Barret Wallace
Could be a reference to the 13th century Scottish rebel William Wallace a.k.a. Braveheart (yes, the one in the movie).
-After all, both are leaders of an uprising against a tyrant government. Also, both of them are fighting to avenge their dead wifes.
Hojo
Goes back to a family of hereditary regents to the shogunate of Japan who exercised actual rule from 1199 to 1333. During that period, nine successive members of the family held the regency. The Hojo took their name from their small estate in the Kanogawa Valley in Izu Province.
-Hojo = power. There may be a more subtle meaning to this, but I fail to see it. Any Japanese out there willing to help me?
Cait Sith
The name is of Gaelic origin and translates into "fat cat".
-In Irish fairy-tales, Cait Sith is the protagonist of countless "King of the Cats" stories. That’s why Cait Sith in FF7 is carrying a crown.
Reeve
An English word meaning:
1. The local representative of the king in a shire until the early 13th century.
2. (In medieval England) A manorial steward who supervised the daily affairs of the manor.
3. (In Canadian government) A president of a local council, especially in a rural area
4. (Formerly) A minor local official
-I think that most of these descriptions match up with Reeve's position. He's the representative for the Urban Development area for Midgar, under President Shinra who is more or less the 'King' of Midgar. He supervises the day-to-day running of the city, he's the president of the 'local council' of Urban Development and as such is a minor local official.
Palmer
-a person wearing two crossed palm leaves as a sign of a pilgrimage made to the Holy Land
-wife of G. H. American educator; president, Wellesley Coll
-American chiropractor; founder of chiropractic in America
-American scholar & educator; author of The Odyssey of Homer (translation), The Field of Ethics, etc.
-Several geographic areas are named Palmer (all in the antarctic region)
-The Palmer in the game seems to be the direct opposite of these definitions (Palmer was not a man with two crossed palm leaves, or a scholar, and certainly not the author of a book about ethics). Unless the Square designers thought Palmer looked like a penguin from the Antarctic region, I don't see a connection.
Lucrecia
Lucrecia was a woman who was raped by Tarquinius, the last Roman king. "The Rape of Lucrece" is a poem by Shakespeare based on this.
-This is a strong allusion to the way Lucrecia conceives her child, Sephiroth. Either Hojo raped her (which the story does not necessarily suggest) or the name is just intended to show that Hojo’s experiment are "a rape of nature", an unnatural act.
Rufus
Latin for "the red one".
-Rufus has red hair.
Reno
"Leno" is Latin for "brothel keeper", "squanderer" or "pimp" (the letters R and L and monophone in Japanese).
-well...
Rude
English Synonym for "impolite"
–Rude doesn’t like to socialize and isn’t very talkative at all, so the name befits him quite well
Elena
An alternate form of Eleanor, meaning light.
–Perhaps because she has blonde hair?
Scarlet
A bright shade of red.
-She wears a red dress. This also suggests a connection to Rufus (see above). The Shin-Ra logo is also red, so maybe the colour red is meant to represent Shin-Ra.
Heidegger
Martin Heidegger (1889-1976) was a famous German philosopher best known for his existentialist theories. Also, during World War II, there was a Wehrmacht general called Heidegger.
-Maybe Shin-Ra’s Heidegger was modeled after the Wehrmacht general. I don’t know much about the general, but if he was part of the nazi war machinery, he most likely committed war crimes.
~Some of Martin Heidegger’s existentialist theories could have influenced the authors of Final Fantasy VII. It would take too long to explain this in detail, but if you are interested in Heidegger’s works, simply do a Yahoo! search.
Don Corneo
"Corneo" is Latin for "made of horn" or "horny" (sic!).
-Umm... err...
~The name Don Corneo also bears a vague resemblance to Don Corleone from The Godfather
Shin-Ra
~Probably of Egypt origin, translates into "Dark God" and is used to describe a mythological creature similar to a vampire.
-Shin-Ra, Inc. is evil, hungers for power and seeks total world domination- hence "dark god". Also, they rely heavily on Jenova’s powers.
-Barret: "It [Mako energy]'s the life blood of the planet. But Shinra keeps suckin' the blood out with these machines." Quite vampiric.
Bugenhagen
Johannes Bugenhagen (1485-1558) was one of the "founding fathers" of the early Protestant church in Europe and a close friend of Martin Luther. He helped organizing the Reformation in Northern Germany and Scandinavia and became a famous theologian and scholar as well as an expert in matters of public education and social questions.
-Bugenhagen’s name illustrates his wisdom and his reputation as a man who is master of both religious lore and science/technology.
Cetra
In Latin, the nomen "cetra" describes a small military shield that was used in the Roman army.
-The Cetra are the defenders of the planet.
Gorky and Chekhov
These two bosses appear in Yuffie’s pagoda. Their names derive from the famous (dead) Russian writers Anton P. Chekhov and Maxim Gorky.
-One of the other bosses in the pagoda is called Shake- possibly an allusion to Shakespeare, making the pagoda a veritable Dead Poets Society. Another boss, Yuffie’s father, is called Godo. This may be a stretch, but he could be named after Godot from Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot".
I have absolutely no clue why Square included these names.
à MSommet
Additional contributions by FFOnline's Forums' Members Blackjack Gabbiani, Dark Knight, Slipstream. Thanks a lot!
End of FF7 Revelation name origins; we now return to Mark Rosa's document.
Aeris: John-Peter sent in this neat piece of info: "There is a minor goddess in greek mythology named Eris. Now when I was taking a mythology class at the University of Wisconsin Madison, I asked the professer how to pronounce that name, he told me air-ies (that may be hard to understand but it was basicly just a minor corruption of Ares). What's more, Eris is Ares' sister and companion, thus bringing her closer to Aeris' name. Finally and the real trick: Eris is the goddess of Strife! So Aeris is one letter extra from having the same name as the Greek goddess of Strife."
Tabris writes that Aerith (the Japanese name) is ancient Greek for "divine one".
Bugenhagen: Sam Massey has the following to offer: "It seems that Bugenhagen is the name of a blind priest in the famous horror movie 'The Omen.' Bugenhagen warns the main character of his adoptive son's Satanic origins and how the world is in if he is allowed to live. Sounds a bit like the Bugenhagen in FF7, right?" Verified by Alex.
Cait Sith (pronounced, roughly, 'kett shih') is Irish. It means 'fairy cat' in Gaelic. Supposedly, it's a kind of spirit that brings good luck. Of course, they don't normally ride around on moogles. ^^;
Hojo: From Maou: Better written as "Houjou" (though the prononciation is the same to American ears, much like Tokyo vs. Toukyou), the kanji used are [Takara] ("Treasure") and [Jou/Eda] ("Branch"). In short, like most Japanese family names, Houjou doesn't have much more meaning than, say "Roberts." The power-related 'hojo' is a different word. The connection with that old Japanese family seems dead-on, though I can't be sure without the kanji. (see entry above).
Sephiroth has a great origin! It's Hebrew for 'numbers' and is directly related to Arabic 'sifra', French 'chiffre', German 'Ziffer', and English 'cipher'. (Sanskrit 'shunya' meaning 'void', originally.) In Hebrew (among other alphabets), each letter has a numerical value, and the art of adding the letters in a word or phrase to get a certain value is called 'gematria'. In Hebrew, the word Sephiroth has the value of 756; in Greek, 894. Can anyone find any significance in these numbers? I was hoping to relate them to the safe combination in the Shinra Mansion, but they don't seem to work. ^^; Here are the ten important Sephiroth:
1 - Khessed, Kindness
2 - Chokhmah, Wisdom
3 - Binah, Understanding
4 - Gedulah, Greatness
5 - Geburah, Strength
6 - Tiphereth, Beauty
7 - Netzach, Firmness and Victory
8 - Hod, Splendor
9 - Yesod, Foundation
10 - Malchuth, the Kingdom
(There are variations on these; this list is from 777 and the Cabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley.)
Note: Chokhmah, Binah, and Gedulah are typically not in the list. The "Kh" and "Ch" sounds are both pronounced like a hard "ch" as in "Bach". The Sephiroth are, depending on who you ask, the steps between man and God, or the different ways with which God manifests His will on earth. Either way, it fits nicely with Sephiroth's quest for godhood.
The final enemy, Safer Sephiroth, might be meant to be Sepher Sephiroth, which means 'the book of numbers' in Hebrew. (No book of the Bible is actually called that, though.) Maybe the name also has something to do with all the little numbered black clones that are skulking around in Nibelheim. Matt Myers notes that numbers appear at the bottom of the screen after Sephiroth's Supernova attack. Or "Safer" might be a pun on the fact that he casts Wall on himself during the fight. However, I've gotten remarks from too many people to note that there was probably a mistranslation here and the word was meant to be "Seraph", a type of six-winged angel (also the highest in the angelic echelon, which is fitting for where Sephiroth's aspirations place him).
One of Sephiroth's attacks is Pale Horse, which probably refers to 'Death on a Pale Horse', a 1905 (?) painting by Ryder. From WTG3: Safer Sephiroth's attack Pale Horse is more likely a reference to the Revelation of St. John, the last book in the Christian Bible. ("When he broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature cry out, 'Come Forward.' I looked, and there was a pale horse. Its rider was named Death, and Hades accompanied him." Rev. 6:7-8)
Maou, however, says that the original spell in Japanese was called "Pyro Holes". So much for that idea. 8p
Shinra goon Heidegger shares a name with an early 20th-century German philosopher, Martin Heidegger. Coincidence, probably. Damien thinks it may be something different: Nathaniel Hawthorne (an early American writer, who wrote the Scarlet Letter) wrote a short story called Dr. Heidegger's Experiment, about a doctor who discovers the Fountain of Youth and brings it to his old friends to try out; the effects turn out to be fleeting, however.
Also, Reno is a city in Nevada and Miss Scarlet is a character in Clue, the board game and film starring Tim Curry, Christopher Lloyd, and others.
Thanks to Jeffrey Goebeler for this tip: There's a brand of firearms made by a company called Barret. Fitting for a man with a gun on his arm, don't you think?
The names of Elder Bugah and Elder Hargo, two old men in Cosmo Canyon, are just Bugenhagen's name split into two.
Dyne: From Ultima Mage Dyne: dyne (din [long 'i']) noun. Physics The fundemental unit of force in the cgs system that, if applied to a mass of one gram, would give it an acceleration of one centimeter per second per second. Abbv. d., D. What that has to do with the character, I don't know, but maybe the word was just going through their heads at the time. ^^; Zidane's Trance skill in FF9 is also called Dyne; the the meaning fits a *little* better for that.
Re: فكرو وشغلو عقولكم.. سكوير ليش اختارت هالاسماء بالذات؟
اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة _yuna_
السلام عليكم
أنا مادري أذا ناقشتوا الأسامي هذي بس بقولها:
أيرس معناه السوسن و سموها كذا عشان هي تبيع الزهور و هذا مناسب لها
و فيه برضو سكوال (العاصفه ) و ممكن عشان أنه هادي لكن في القتال قوي جدا ....انه الهدؤ الذي يسبق العاصفه
تحياتي :biggthump
yuna
والله ما اظن ان الاخت انجيل ويسبر تركت اسم شخصية من الشخصيات ..
و شكرا على المشاركة الطيبة .. :)
مشاركة: فكرو وشغلو عقولكم.. سكوير ليش اختارت هالاسماء بالذات؟
مشاركة: فكرو وشغلو عقولكم.. سكوير ليش اختارت هالاسماء بالذات؟
واو موضوع رائع اول ماشفت واطلعت عليه بس حبيت اضيف بان كلمة cidالتي داما موجودة على مااتذكر هية لاحد منتجي العبة او اختصار لاسمهة هذا ماتذكرهة
tidosتعني الشمس
yunaتعني القمر
رد: فكرو وشغلو عقولكم.. سكوير ليش اختارت هالاسماء بالذات؟
الشي اللي متأكد منه 100% ان sephiroth اسم لآله من العصور القديمه عند الرومان واعتقد انه اله السماء ((استغفر الله))
رد: فكرو وشغلو عقولكم.. سكوير ليش اختارت هالاسماء بالذات؟
.×. السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته .×.
أهلا اختي angel whishper ^^
ما اعتقد في سبب مثل كذا لباقي الشخصيات ....لان اسم sora بطل KH2 ما اظن له معنى
لكن سمعت ان معناه بالياباني السماء ، نفترض ونقول السماء ....سورا ما لتصرفاته او القصة لها علاقة بالسماء :D
ونفس الشي زيدان بطل FFIX فاينال فانتسي 9 اسمه ما له معنى مجرد اسم :jap037:
ونفس الشي للجزء الجديد من FF البطل اسمه Vaan وباقي الشخصيات اساميهم عادية
مثل : ashe,basch,balthier,fran واسامي مثل كذا ما لها معنى على حد علمي :D
.×. ودمتي في أمان الله .×.
